Agree. Sara, the problem with that is that Acuff gives advice on quitting your job and following your dream. It’s a 1-2 process to get Jon’s websites transferred over back to him, so shutting it all down seems so odd.  ×  I guess I don’t know why anything needs to be excused on Ramsey’s part. Very sad. Connexion. How is it ok for him to give advice on quitting then when he quits it seems to go against his bestselling advice. Joined with a much bigger brand. Well, I don’t know what happened but what if…and if that is true then don’t you think…Well, bless their heart.  =  2. Or is something like any of the above what Acuff ran into and he decided he could no longer tolerate it? Thus he has to cut ties as quickly as possible to lessen the damage caused by heading down the wrong path. Were the actions by these two men appropriate given what little we know of the circumstances? From YouTube to your favorite podcast app, listen and watch the show anytime, anywhere. was all it was. A cashless society means:* If you are struggling with your mortgage on a particular month, you can’t do an odd job to get you through. Keeping Your Emergency Fund in a Money Market Account. * No more cash slipped into the hands of a child as a good luck charm or from their grandparent when going on holidays. This, of course, assumes Jon did not instruct Dave and team to shut down the sites until they are transferred, either. Who knows how long it lasts? This was not about money. Personnalité publique. It gives you independence. Jon had a sell-out Start conference and ticket sales for the next one are already being sold. Besides, the guy built his rep on being a “quitter,” having 8 jobs in 8 years and finally landing his “dream job,” and then he leaves his dream job after just a couple of years. This seems a little hypocritical. What we need to be careful about is judging between these men without information. Or it could just be me Ramsey doesn’t seem to know how the Internets never forgets. Anyone who stops and thinks about it for a second would realize that. You make some good points. Who knows what is happening here? 113K likes this. Taken alone, one could argue that Acuff doesn’t owe anyone an explanation. Something that most people don’t know is that anyone with half a brain and a good idea can become a best seller…. America’s Career Coach - Connecting your personal mission & professional vision. There’s no reason the assets couldn’t simply be clearly disassociated with Dave but still remain available, right? This was not about money. I know Don’t leave the world of being cubicle-bound to outward bound without * No more selling bits & pieces from your home that you no longer want/need for a bit of cash in return. * No more cash gifts from relatives or loved ones.What a cashless society does guarantee:* Banks have full control of every single penny you own. He is in serious danger of losing all credibility. It could be the Jon made the decision and didn’t want to let down those attending the conference, so fulfilled that obligation. “I have not broken any moral clause or anything like that. He just hasn’t offered any. But there are many ways we differ from Dave Ramsey's plan. Public. That was the message…Meeting people where they are at. Claim: American radio host Dave Ramsey wrote this viral Facebook post urging America to wake up. Many question when and where he supposedly made the rant. Dave has done extended teachings about how to part ways and leaving someone with dignity, treating them well etc. Annie, Dave could have removed the links on his domains and severed the relationship that way. Sometimes we might see only the bad in the way something happens from the outside of a situation because it seems like someone might not want something to happen when in fact they actually requested it. Regardless, no doubt both are good men and both had a struggle. Taking down SCL and JonAcuff.com was unnecessary. If he did, I hope he make this very clear. Maybe both parties feel it’s best to leave whatever happened behind closed doors stay behind those doors. There are a number of possible explanations which would be entirely valid. Sold books on the story that he’d learned how to start. Layoffs on 9/11, and yes, THAT 9/11. }. Page Transparency See More. Apparently, he broke his own rule? Still, the abrupt decision by Jon to leave combined with the abrupt decision by Dave to shutdown the assets seems uncharacteristic of what I expect from leaders I follow. * Every transaction you make is recorded. Let’s think about this some more — as a business owner, if I didn’t agree with the direction of a company or a decision my business partner made — I wouldn’t be promoting their information either. Jon Acuff would never be involved in anything negative. Tomb of the Unknown Soldier Guards Can’t Drink for Life, Must Live in Underground Barracks. * You will have no choice but to declare & be taxed on every dollar in your possession. I don’t know why Jon left. The rule that says have a plan. This is a custom image for MSL. * Access to your money can be blocked at the click of a button when/if banks need ‘clarification’ from you which will take about 3 weeks, a thousand questions answered & five thousand passwords. Both men have had a great (and overall positive) impact on my life as well. Thanks for sharing, Annie. . He has all of Dave’s media connections to get his face out there. ou. I can assure you of one thing. Let them be. I personally completely understand why Dave may have “cut-off” links to Jon’s items. In it Acuff has a prominent role. What was seen wasn’t really what we and they were getting? This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Today, Jon Acuffresigned from the Dave Ramsey team. three Weekdays 2-5pm EST. ou. It’s entirely possible that I’m going to ruffle some feathers with this one, but I’ve decided to stop following Dave Ramsey. Take Jon Acuff for instance. I don’t think this is about illness (you don’t resign abruptly over illness, you don’t cast someone into the outer darkness because they’re ill). I’d like to add a few other things to this discussion. I did not write it.” He also addressed the post via Twitter, with the same message. Sorry, but Jon comes out looking like a hypocrite no matter how you slice this. I’ll remain in curiosity. | The Christian Post Months after a former employee alleged in a lawsuit that she was fired by evangelical CEO Dave Ramsey’s Ramsey Solutions after becoming pregnant, the company’s lawyers responded in a recent court filing that she … Furthermore, Dave Ramsey and the entire team there are the most integrity-driven group I have ever worked for.”. Dave’s FREE budgeting tool will help you find money you didn’t even know you had! Pages connexes. From that perspective, it would seem that promptly removing Acuff’s material is intended for punitive purposes. We don’t know and can only speculate. It’s wild to me that anyone would speculate and accuse. Realville. In the real world, none of this adds up. * No more little jobs on the side because your wages barely cover the bills or put food on the table. That is why employment laws are what they are and contracts work the way they do. I agree – many public figures have someone – or many people – pulling levers and making things work “behind the curtain”. Create your first budget in 10 minutes and see how easy it is to start saving and reaching your goals. I DO know that the Ramsey site is missing some valuable SEO content…plus it made Dave’s site more of a “destination site”. I can tell you that Jon probably signed a “non-compete”, which is not only typical for corporate deals, it’s almost unheard of not to have one. America's trusted voice on money. Was it within their right to shut these down? drew me away from the company or created a wedge.”. But maybe we will be told and there will be lessons in this separation for all us all to learn. 3. Ben also speaks and consults on IT and management topics for a large variety of clients. Listen or Watch Now That’s his normal pattern and it really affects his credibility. exude integrity from their pores sometimes fail to measure up and (I have a few more observations about that, but….) The only damage control in this situation needs to come from Jon. Yeah, I don’t doubt there could be IP concerns / lawyers behind this – but that doesn’t excuse it in my opinion. Actually, I don’t even see it as giving Dave Ramsey the benefit of the doubt. Both Finance. Join Facebook to connect with Dave Ramsey and others you may know. However, the argument itself is something of a straw man, as despite the fact that some businesses are refusing to accept cash during a pandemic, there is no meaningful discussion — at least as of July 2020 — about doing away with it at all. It’s entirely up to the owner of the assets (in this, Dave Ramsey, apparently) whether or not these assets remain active, if the recipient requests as much. Those are personal things that thousands have followed Jons advice on. This is why many celebrities refer to themselves – and their names – as “brands” or “images”. Furthermore, Dave Ramsey and the entire team there are the most integrity-driven group I have ever worked for. The haste with which the Ramsey team has been turning Jon Acuff into a non-person on their site feels lawyer-driven to me. How is it worse for Lampo? I see the Dave Ramsey business as the one that jetted Jon to a significantly higher career level, not only with Jon’s books and speaking engagements, but also in using Dave’s web team to make Jon’s site a much more visually appealing place to visit. Considering Ramsey HAD to have known of the Daily Beast article written about him and his enterprise in the back of his mind–and this severing of ties between the men comes three years hence–with Lampo not having frozen Acuff’s website content rather than direct visitors to that cryptic message, that only adds to the Beast article’s credibility. magically all is well. It was both Dave and Jon who made very public how they joined together America's trusted voice on money. I don’t think it’s about Jon wanting to do something new and exciting. I’m not given to speculation, but on the surface it doesn’t put him in the best light given the message he’s been spreading. On the surface (which this is all speculation)…it looks like Jon Acuff used Ramsey’s influence and platform to get a couple of best-sellers and a hit conference. Kelli Smith Logan. View the profiles of people named Dave Ramsey. Or is he just one of those types that seems to be going on just fine only to be holding back a flame out that could no longer be contained even while working in his dream job? This was not an integrity or moral issue. It doesn’t mean mostly cashless and you can still use a ‘wee bit of cash here & there’. Sites and pages that are no longer available and redirect to Dave Ramsey’s message: Other digital assets that appear to be disabled: Its commentary like yours dear sir that stirs up strife and division. If I was Dave, I would be pissed because there’s no telling how much money he spent on Jon Acuff. Why is every assuming the worst and gossiping about who is owed what? Actual screen capture of Dave Ramsey’s website at time of original post. I think many people want to know the details because you have one guy who deals with Entreleadership and another guy who does Quitter. Which given the content of the conference seems to undermine his message. Being brutally realistic about our present circumstance. Remember, dreams can be both pleasurable and joyous or nightmares. Please stop believing everything you are being told. Ben Lichtenwalner is the founder ModernServantLeader.com - the leading blog on servant leadership and top 35 site for any leadership topic, globally. Was the public mutual admiration a part of the Oz effects? Or was the dream job really a nightmare in some way that finally had to end? Sure Acuff will lose some of his audience due to the transition…of course, the reason he has so much to lose is because Ramsey helped greatly expand his platform. Dave has been very honest Annalisa McBride, Rolf Munk. He has written best sellers for several big names and understands a great deal about the publishing industry. I’m betting some IP lawyers ordered Jon’s stuff to be taken down. admiration society? I have not broken any moral clause or anything like that. I would not fault either party for keeping their business – their business. morals issue, the Ramsey side of the equation is softer in emphasis. agent or a publishing deal on the table. I’ve been trying to do Dave Ramsey-ish for years by myself because I couldn’t get my husband on board and I knew we couldn’t afford it. You can wish someone the best, but that doesn’t mean you have to pave the road for them. After all, how does disabling the most popular sites attributed to Jon suggest you wish them “all the best”? I did not write it. In the Facebook post announcing his resignation, Jon Acuff explained his time with the Dave Ramsey team was the, “three greatest years of our professional life” (including his wife Jenny). Admittedly, I haven’t been following this story until today…but no one really knows what Jon Acuff’s contract looked like. instead of implosion. It takes time to pull together content and blog pages and everything else that is associated with a transfer. Share if you like. After the three greatest years of our professional life, Jenny and I decided to resign from the Dave Ramsey team today. There is lot’s of flash, pomp and illusion. Acuff rode the ride to far great fame and exposer…but Ramsey is the bad guy for not continuing to pay to host the high traffic blogs of someone who said they wanted to leave the organization very suddenly. I think Jon used the entire Dave Ramsey platform to get behind him and prop him up so he could become a big time author, then leave. I definitely like that attribute of Dave as well. Conversation. This reaction from the Ramsey organization is not typical. * No more charity collections. “Don’t believe everything you read on the internet.” — Abraham Lincoln In response to the resignation, Dave Ramsey’s team has apparently shut down all digital assets associated with Acuff. They could have “frozen” the content and had an orderly transition. He has all of Dave’s marketing machine getting the word out. Organisation à but non lucratif. I don’t see Dave as some jerk who has shut down Jon’s websites for selfish reasons. I don’t have a literary agent or a speaking agent or a publishing deal on the table. I don’t have anything else that drew me away from the company or created a wedge. The assumed motives are a bit unkind, but the basic facts stand on their own. It was so funny to read this..no one except perhaps the president or your spouse owes you an explanation of anything. The disappoint almost ALWAYS has to do with Dave when it comes to allowing people to leave well. party as well as leveraging the dollars along the way. So he takes advantage of the entire Ramsey machine to promote his brand and get him to the New York Times bestseller list and then leaves the week after his largest conference? personally of people who despite lot’s of talk and even deep desire to While their notice ended politely with, “We wish Jon all the best”, their actions speak otherwise. The dollar potential that drove the public mutual Perhaps judging both for lack of information is fair. The Ramsey Show. Jon at the start conference with his speakers and in his book stated we are, in Dave’s always been direct and doesn’t sugar coat things … and that’s a huge reason I highly respect him and his organizations. 1.Perhaps it’s as simple as vision. EveryDollar. Do we know for certain though, that more notice was not given? Sad though, but not the first time, regretfully, I’ve seen a personality driven ministry/ business doing human relations poorly. Suddenly he has all the marketing money he needs because Dave wants Jon to be a multi best-seller fast. However, as a public figure in the Christian community and a thought leader in the entrepreneurial space, his actions, especially surrounding key business decisions, beg analysis. Assuming ownership of these assets was transitioned to the Ramsey organization when Jon joined, yes. Creating a stir over something that Dave’s team has some underlying message other than we wish him the best. Thank you. He would solicit people’s Quitter stories. Yet in Jon’s public explanation of leaving, he writes “This was not The words were kind, but the actions were anything but. Voir plus de contenu de Dave Ramsey sur Facebook. I believe this is exactly right. It is no more because ???. .hide-if-no-js { So Ramsey wasted years and lots of money heading down a path which went know where. Banks are making it increasingly difficult to lodge cash & that has nothing to do with a virus, nor has this ‘dirty money’ trend.Please open your eyes. and continued in a, at least from perception, tight relationship from Pages Liked by Page. Who cares. It was Jon’s choice to turn his intellectual property over to Dave to become a part of Dave’s awesome org (if he did that), it was Jon’s choice to sign a non-compete agreement (if he did that). Jon never disclosed which end of spectrum the dream job was. Just my opinion. Dave Ramsey is on Facebook. I don’t have anything else that This takes us as much by surprise as it does you. Plus tard. For example, we do not even know any specifics of the hiring contract, do we? David Lawrence Ramsey III (born September 3, 1960) is an American personal finance advisor, radio show host, author, and businessman. Or, that Jon requested these actions be taken by Dave and company – I just can’t see the logic in that, either. IF they have access to the right people to help them and loads and loads of money – hundreds of thousands of dollars. My opinion is no. In his Facebook post referenced above, Jon addressed the shutting down of these sites, saying, “…Stuff Christians Like will return. Join Facebook to connect with Dave Ramsey and others you may know. Assuming Jon did not request the sites be disabled, Lampo’s actions do not match their words. Why? Jon Acuff’s Facebook Posts regarding the decision he and his wife, Jenny, made to leave the Dave Ramsey team: Hey guys, I’m working on an explanation of today right now. First off — if Jon is going to practice what he preaches in “Quitter” – you don’t leave a job (especially one you’ve proclaimed to be a ‘dream’) without something else to go to. Somehow I missed that this took place until today. 2. Wow, thank you for the great insights, Joe. Zero. Public . The reason for Jon Acuff’s abrupt resignation from the Dave Ramsey company is obvious…and all of you are missing the point. 1. Second, I hope the Dave Ramsey organization’s decision to shutdown all of Acuff’s digital presence in their control was a mistake that is quickly remedied. Quitter indeed! A week before at the Start Conference they were selling tickets to next year’s conference. the way. Dave Ramsey’s Facebook post Dave Ramsey wrote on his public Facebook page yesterday: “There’s a post going around today that someone put my name on. It’s just not in his nature. It’s a great textbook example. Informations de compte oubliées ? He’s convinced people to leave their jobs to pursue their dream jobs, those people are confused right now. It makes no sense. Still, there was no explanation what was behind their decision. Almost every single topic in today’s world is tainted with corruption & hidden agendas.Pay with cash & please say no to a cashless society while you still have the choice.Copied and pasted. Or maybe that It takes time to pull together content and blog pages and everything else that is associated with a transfer. 3. Christian personal finance guru Dave Ramsey has listed his Nashville home for almost $16 million, and he plans to use the money to build a new home without taking out a mortgage. Learn how your comment data is processed. Thanks. America's trusted voice on money. Both men have had an impact on my life and that is what I will choose to focus on. He then went on to explain several motivations that were not behind his decision, including: 1. Thanks for sharing, J. I agree. Anyone notice that Jon left the week after the Start conference? Dave has very kindly stressed to me his desire to make that happen as fast as possible. All things considered, Acuff comes off much more suspicious than Ramsey to me. A guide to * If your transactions are deemed in any way questionable, by those who create the questions, your money will be frozen, ‘for your own good’.Forget about cash being dirty. This was poorly handled by Ramsey and his Lampo Group, point-blank-period, as well as by Acuff. Dave doesn’t owe Jon even more than he’s already given him. Chris Hogan . However, in amicable transitions websites can (and typically do) remain up and operating as normal throughout such a transition. But it’s going to be difficult for either party to part with the truth. I also hope both men are more transparent moving forward. The actions by Ramsey’s organization and the lack of transparency from either man raise questions in the Christian business, personal finance and leadership communities. If I pump millions into promoting you, putting you on THE NEW YORK TIMES bestseller list, making you the future of my company, flying your family in a private jet to greet you on stage at Catalyst, etc, etc, etc, etc, then you better believe I’d usher you out “post haste” if you suddenly resigned after all that over what…maybe content ownership? Jon wrote the books, but he had Dave’s money and media connections all over the country to market his books – things he could quite possibly never have had on his own in his lifetime. He was with Ramsey for 3 years. He was one of my best friends at one point. Dave’s FREE budgeting tool will help you find money you didn’t even know you had! Lampo/DR must know that, and they did it anyway. My husband is a ghost writer and has connections all over the country. Acuff’s tribe is loyal and they will follow him no matter where he goes…. When you’re no longer on board or you develop your own, you may have to start driving your own bus. I think it is within the realm of decorum to expect an explanation from Jon. Worst case I’ve seen? having a plan to avoid committing financial and marital hara-kiri along To me, sounds like he needs to learn how to finish what he “starts.”. 2. Credibility is Great leaders develop their people, and I believe it should be with the HOPE and expectation that one day they will leave the nest and go out into the world to blaze trails and develop others. He has no immediate plans to retire, but he knows for his company and message to continue for additional decades, it can’t be all about him. I do have a few insights into the publishing biz because of what my husband does. Pay attention only to the bigger theme and not the details. In July 2020, Dave Ramsey warned of the consequences related to a post-COVID-19 cashless society. — Dave Ramsey (@DaveRamsey) July 10, 2020. Still, there is no explanation why he didresign. This opportunity allowed us to do it together and he’s now all in. Also, I wouldn’t be terribly surprised if someone from there is playing damage control on the internet and in social media. However, if the public is never told, it will be an irony that often happens with celebrities. Public . […] …and if you missed the excitement over Jon’s resignation this week from the Dave Ramsay team, there’s this article […]. The “cashless society” post credited to Dave Ramsey was misattributed. Create your first budget in 10 minutes and see how easy it is to start saving and reaching your goals. If you’re a huge Ramsey fan, as I once was, I encourage you to read this post with an open mind and consider my key points on their merit. I’ll post it on my Facebook page later today. me to question their authenticity and trust for the product they are marketing. Veteran religion reporter Bob Smietana of Religion News Service set out to get comments on allegations of employee dissatisfaction at Christian financial guru Dave Ramey’s company. I don’t want to think this way but the seed of doubt has been planted. Simply, we do not-and may never-have enough information to be able to judge that between the two men. The Dave Ramsey plan helped us to start budgeting and thinking about money. Dave paid me more than I have ever been paid in my entire life. Annie, you need to understand something about the Lampo Group: Once they decide you’re done (whether you say it or they think it), you are ushered out post haste. * The government WILL decide what you can & cannot purchase. Badly done, and speaks worse for Lampo than for Jon. The “cashless society” post credited to Dave Ramsey was misattributed. We wish Jon all the best.”. Nor has Ramsey explained himself or offered an apology. Dave has very kindly stressed to me his desire to make that happen as fast as possible.” It is true that website transitions can take time. 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